A Flotsam data special: Tangiblizing the intangible
Idiot Savant
After Tim McCarver’s month-long David Eckstein sploogefest that was October 2006, a serious investigation into 'grit' was long overdue. Despite the penchant of sportswriters and broadcasters to throw the term around willy-nilly, I was hard-pressed to locate a firm definition of grit in the baseball sense. Using lots of laptop science stuff, I think I’ve improved the definition, which isn’t really saying much, since there wasn’t one to begin with.
First, some definitions to help us focus in on what exactly this 'grit' stuff is.
Gritty
1. Containing, covered with, or resembling grit.
2. Showing resolution and fortitude; plucky: Biggio’s gritty 12-pitch at-bat ultimately resulted in a routine 6-3 groundout.
In keeping with those definitions I’m proposing a new composite statistic: General Requirements of Intangible Talent (GRIT). GRIT incorporates four basic components: dirt, determination, talent, and opportunity.
DATA
I used a modified version of the Sean Lahman dataset that includes player statistics from 1871-2006. My dataset includes player-seasons starting in 1955, the first year for which statistical data for intentional walks and GIDP was available. To chop the dataset down to a manageable size, I limited the number of eligible players to those who have at least 100 plate appearances and 81 games played. This removes pitchers from consideration, but also ensures that an adequate indication of a player’s abilities during each season is evident. Statistics for 2007 were compiled from ESPN.
The resulting dataset includes 13,249 player-seasons with 2,385 unique players represented.
HYPOTHESIS
I hold that gritty players are those who sincerely want to win or succeed at baseball (determination), but due to a lack of natural skill (talent), are forced to do so through the least efficient means possible, resulting in an excessive amount of dirt on their uniform.
DIRT
The most important factor in determining a player's GRIT is his uniform. A player who is "containing, covered with, or resembling grit" will show visible signs of his grittiness on his uniform. Dirty uniforms are good; bloody uniforms are better. A true team player, the gritty player is prepared to sacrifice his body at all costs. This is one of the few ways gritty players are efficient, since they probably aren’t as well compensated as their genuinely talented teammates.
The Dirt Formula
HBP: A hit batter produce minimal gains (one base) with relatively high costs in terms of potential bodily injury. The official colors of gritty players may well be black and blue. And red. And maybe some brown with a little purple and some yellow around the edges, depending on the severity of the bruising.
IBB: Next to home runs, intentional walks are probably the most anti-gritty statistic. Intentional walks are indicative that a player has so much talent that the pitcher would rather give him first base than risk an extra-base hit. Gritty players have to earn every base through hard-knocks, moxie, and a heaping helping of some good ol’ fashioned hustle.
CS/SB stuff (SBINEFF): This is a statistic I call Stolen Base Inefficiency (SBINEFF). This looks for players who like to attempt lots of steals but are largely unsuccessful. Stealing bases produces minimal gains (one base) but comes with greater potential costs by raising the likelihood of being thrown out. Base-stealers (successful or not) also have dirty uniforms from sliding.
DID YOU KNOW: Harold Reynolds holds the single-season record for SBINEFF with a stunning 13.385? Harold’s 1988 season saw him tally 35 steals while being caught 29 times. He broke the record set by Will Clark (13.304) during the previous season when Mr. Eyeblack went 5 for 22 on steal attempts. WOW!
DETERMINATION
Gritty players want to succeed. They just happen to not have the talent to actually do so. This results in inefficient baseball plays. For example, Jerry Hairston is gritty. He slides head-first into first base. A true sign of someone gritty enough to want to get to first base, but shitty enough to actually get there efficiently.
The Determination Formula
(Outs – SO): As short in stature as they are on talent, gritty players are determined to put the ball in play at all costs. Additionally, the ball looks gigantic to their tiny, elfin eyes and thus they’re less prone to striking out.
(BB+SH+SF): With their microscopic strike zones, gritty players generate walks (the unintentional ones) at a superhuman rate. Sacrificing oneself is an inefficient (read: gritty) method of moving runners along.
GIDP: Double plays are produced by well-struck balls that are able to cut through the infield grass. Aside from a bottle of hard liquor (eh, Mr. Furcal?) gritty players rarely hit anything well.
DID YOU KNOW: 2007 NL MVP Jimmy Rollins produced the sixth-highest season total of outs since 1955? He probably owes a fair share of his award to a trail-blazing fellow Phillie middle-infielder who set a precedent. Juan Samuel, in 1984, produced the second highest number of outs on his way to earning a tie for 21st place in the MVP voting and 2nd in the NL ROY. HOOCHIEMAMA!
DID YOU ALSO KNOW: Pete Rose has only the second highest season total of determination. The real "Charlie Hustle" is actually a "Dick." Dick Howser, that is. Howser’s 1964 season slightly edges out Pete’s numbers from 1974. CRACKER JACK!
WHATCHUKNOWABOUTTHISHERE: Dick Howser’s phone listing reads as "Howser, Dick." This tidbit is worth a few laughs given the right delivery, set-up, and audience. SHABANG!
Talent – It is my contention that "grittiness" is a subset of talent that cannot translate well statistically. Two players may very well have the same raw amount of grit, but one player may have more tangible talent, making him appear less gritty because the grit is too diluted. Gritty players are those who have the largest concentration of grit. As such, too find the grittiest players, we should look for players who have as little tangible talent as possible.
The Talent Formula
XBH: Extra base hits are über-efficient ways of getting multiple bases.
RBI: Gritty players move runners over, but aren’t talented enough to drive them in.
TB: Total bases is an additional means of counting the overall ability of a player.
(OMS*1000): OMS (OBP minus SLG) is a proprietary statistic I developed for use in GRIT. It rewards players who reach base, but deprecates players who have the talent to get extra bases.
OPPORTUNITY
In order for a player to become gritty, they first need to be on the field. In the words of Ted Williams, "Nobody ever became a .400 hitter without taking the bat off their shoulder." To apply the quote more appropriately here, one might attribute it to Willams' quasi-gritty teammate, Milt Bolling, and change it to read "Nobody ever became a .250 hitter by getting splinters in their ass.” We simply use plate appearances as a representation of opportunity.
After calculating the four GRIT component values for each player-season, the resulting values are then plugged in to this equation:
(Dirt + Determination – Talent) / Opportunity
However, each component has a different scale relative to the others, so I experimented with normalizing the values. This can be accomplished by calculating an average and a standard deviation for the dirt, determination, talent, and opportunity scores of all the player-years.
Basic Normalization Formula
This was applied for each of the basic components across all player-seasons. The rationale for normalizing this data is to remove as much bias as possible from the process. As each of the four basic components creates a different range of values, some sort of weighting would be necessary to produce a meaningful list. Normalization automatically weights the components by determining how far a given player-season is above or below the average of all player-seasons.
RESULTS
Across 13,249 player-seasons, the data appears to have a relatively normal distribution. The data shows a range of about -50 to +50 with one outlier at -90.011 (see below), and a mean and median extremely close to 0. These numbers are promising for the prospects of GRIT as a statistic, as they suggest that the average player is neither extremely gritty, nor extremely talented. The tails in the extreme positive end of the distribution should show the grittiest players, while talented players should appear in the negative tail.
Enough talk; bring on the numbers ...
The Top 50 Grittiest Season and the 25 Least Gritty Seasons
Rank | Year | Player | Team | GRIT |
1 | 1971 | Ron Hunt | MON | 52.061 |
2 | 2002 | David Eckstein | ANA | 35.963 |
3 | 1968 | Ron Hunt | SFN | 34.901 |
4 | 1998 | Fernando Vina | MIL | 33.296 |
5 | 1996 | Craig Biggio | HOU | 32.251 |
6 | 1997 | Craig Biggio | HOU | 27.964 |
7 | 2002 | Fernando Vina | SLN | 27.687 |
8 | 2005 | Jason Kendall | OAK | 27.373 |
9 | 2001 | Jason Kendall | PIT | 27.018 |
10 | 1955 | Nellie Fox | CHA | 26.703 |
11 | 1986 | Don Baylor | BOS | 26.442 |
12 | 2003 | Jason Kendall | PIT | 26.319 |
13 | 2000 | Fernando Vina | SLN | 26.064 |
14 | 1999 | Chuck Knoblauch | NYA | 25.910 |
15 | 2003 | Craig Biggio | HOU | 25.743 |
16 | 2001 | David Eckstein | ANA | 25.423 |
17 | 1957 | Nellie Fox | CHA | 25.311 |
18 | 1975 | Felix Millan | NYN | 25.188 |
19 | 1967 | Cesar Tovar | MIN | 25.102 |
20 | 1969 | Ron Hunt | SFN | 24.829 |
21 | 1968 | Cesar Tovar | MIN | 24.692 |
22 | 2005 | Brady Clark | MIL | 24.659 |
23 | 1996 | Eric Young | COL | 24.635 |
24 | 1998 | Chuck Knoblauch | NYA | 24.558 |
25 | 2001 | Craig Biggio | HOU | 24.346 |
26 | 1997 | Jason Kendall | PIT | 23.913 |
27 | 2004 | Jason Kendall | PIT | 23.717 |
28 | 1998 | Jason Kendall | PIT | 23.617 |
29 | 1972 | Ron Hunt | MON | 23.580 |
30 | 2001 | Fernando Vina | SLN | 23.189 |
31 | 2004 | Juan Pierre | FLO | 23.028 |
32 | 1980 | Ozzie Smith | SDN | 22.815 |
33 | 1976 | Don Baylor | OAK | 22.419 |
34 | 2005 | David Eckstein | SLN | 22.402 |
35 | 1957 | Minnie Minoso | CHA | 22.188 |
36 | 1991 | Brett Butler | LAN | 21.874 |
37 | 1961 | Nellie Fox | CHA | 21.834 |
38 | 1970 | Ed Brinkman | WS2 | 21.702 |
39 | 2006 | Juan Pierre | CHN | 21.334 |
40 | 1973 | Ron Hunt | MON | 21.142 |
41 | 2002 | Melvin Mora | BAL | 20.893 |
42 | 1980 | Alfredo Griffin | TOR | 20.875 |
43 | 1993 | Mike Bordick | OAK | 20.719 |
44 | 2005 | Juan Pierre | FLO | 20.615 |
45 | 1995 | Craig Biggio | HOU | 20.413 |
46 | 1990 | Brett Butler | SFN | 20.399 |
47 | 1959 | Richie Ashburn | PHI | 20.079 |
48 | 1993 | Chuck Knoblauch | MIN | 19.994 |
49 | 1993 | Brett Butler | LAN | 19.919 |
50 | 1984 | Brett Butler | CLE | 19.816 |
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Rank | Year | Player | Team | GRIT |
13234 | 1957 | Ted Williams | BOS | -27.054 |
13235 | 2000 | Sammy Sosa | CHN | -27.055 |
13236 | 1999 | Mark McGwire | SLN | -27.905 |
13237 | 2006 | Albert Pujols | SLN | -27.913 |
13238 | 1989 | Kevin Mitchell | SFN | -31.490 |
13239 | 1998 | Mark McGwire | SLN | -32.316 |
13240 | 1970 | Willie McCovey | SFN | -34.094 |
13241 | 2001 | Barry Bonds | SFN | -35.160 |
13242 | 2007 | Ryan Howard | PHI | -35.452 |
13243 | 1969 | Willie McCovey | SFN | -38.707 |
13244 | 2006 | Ryan Howard | PHI | -38.898 |
13245 | 1993 | Barry Bonds | SFN | -39.723 |
13246 | 2003 | Barry Bonds | SFN | -42.087 |
13247 | 2001 | Sammy Sosa | CHN | -42.659 |
13248 | 2002 | Barry Bonds | SFN | -50.984 |
13249 | 2004 | Barry Bonds | SFN | -90.011 |
50 All-Time Grittiest Players and the 15 All-Time Least Gritty Players
Rank | | Full Name | CareerGRIT | Yrs | Yearly Avg |
1 | * | Craig Biggio | 250.22 | 19 | 13.17 |
2 | | Ron Hunt | 236.96 | 11 | 21.54 |
3 | * | Jason Kendall | 214.62 | 11 | 19.51 |
4 | | Nellie Fox | 188.42 | 10 | 18.84 |
5 | | Brett Butler | 187.26 | 15 | 12.48 |
6 | | Chuck Knoblauch | 170.67 | 11 | 15.52 |
7 | * | Omar Vizquel | 165.22 | 17 | 9.72 |
8 | | Luis Aparicio | 162.49 | 18 | 9.03 |
9 | | Bert Campaneris | 154.16 | 15 | 10.28 |
10 | | Don Baylor | 152.16 | 17 | 8.95 |
11 | * | David Eckstein | 146.58 | 7 | 20.94 |
12 | | Pete Rose | 143.91 | 23 | 6.26 |
13 | | Maury Wills | 142.30 | 13 | 10.95 |
14 | | Ozzie Smith | 140.77 | 18 | 7.82 |
15 | | Rickey Henderson | 137.94 | 23 | 6.00 |
16 | | Cesar Tovar | 137.83 | 10 | 13.78 |
17 | * | Juan Pierre | 137.68 | 7 | 19.67 |
18 | | Jim Gilliam | 133.14 | 12 | 11.10 |
19 | | Willie Randolph | 132.54 | 17 | 7.80 |
20 | | Fernando Vina | 128.96 | 6 | 21.49 |
21 | | Eric Young | 122.63 | 12 | 10.22 |
22 | | Minnie Minoso | 121.52 | 8 | 15.19 |
23 | | Larry Bowa | 117.77 | 15 | 7.85 |
24 | | Don Kessinger | 116.39 | 13 | 8.95 |
25 | | Felix Millan | 110.48 | 10 | 11.05 |
26 | | Brady Anderson | 110.18 | 13 | 8.48 |
27 | | Harold Reynolds | 109.98 | 8 | 13.75 |
28 | | Steve Sax | 107.60 | 11 | 9.78 |
29 | | Alfredo Griffin | 101.71 | 13 | 7.82 |
30 | | Tony Taylor | 99.17 | 14 | 7.08 |
31 | | Mark Belanger | 98.35 | 13 | 7.57 |
32 | | Toby Harrah | 97.81 | 16 | 6.11 |
33 | | Curt Flood | 97.10 | 12 | 8.09 |
34 | | Chet Lemon | 95.85 | 15 | 6.39 |
35 | | Brian Downing | 95.55 | 17 | 5.62 |
36 | | Richie Ashburn | 94.72 | 8 | 11.84 |
37 | | Joe Morgan | 94.43 | 19 | 4.97 |
38 | * | Derek Jeter | 92.21 | 12 | 7.68 |
39 | | Don Blasingame | 92.03 | 9 | 10.23 |
40 | | Tony Fernandez | 90.68 | 15 | 6.05 |
41 | | Eddie Yost | 86.40 | 6 | 14.40 |
42 | | Dave Cash | 85.14 | 9 | 9.46 |
43 | | Rick Burleson | 85.06 | 9 | 9.45 |
44 | * | Luis Castillo | 84.64 | 9 | 9.40 |
45 | | Horace Clarke | 81.98 | 8 | 10.25 |
46 | | Scott Fletcher | 81.84 | 11 | 7.44 |
47 | | Bobby Grich | 81.73 | 14 | 5.84 |
48 | | Tony Phillips | 80.82 | 14 | 5.77 |
49 | | Johnny Temple | 80.13 | 8 | 10.02 |
50 | | Tim Foli | 79.72 | 13 | 6.13 |
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Rank | | Full Name | CareerGRIT | Yrs | Yearly Avg |
2371 | | Ernie Banks | -144.73 | 15 | -9.65 |
2372 | | Fred McGriff | -145.58 | 17 | -8.56 |
2373 | * | Vladimir Guerrero | -148.26 | 11 | -13.48 |
2374 | | Dick Allen | -148.29 | 12 | -12.36 |
2375 | * | Mike Piazza | -149.04 | 14 | -10.65 |
2376 | * | Jim Thome | -149.27 | 13 | -11.48 |
2377 | * | Manny Ramirez | -160.81 | 14 | -11.49 |
2378 | * | Ken Griffey | -169.47 | 16 | -10.59 |
2379 | | Eddie Murray | -173.48 | 20 | -8.67 |
2380 | | Willie McCovey | -184.52 | 19 | -9.71 |
2381 | | Willie Stargell | -188.60 | 16 | -11.79 |
2382 | | Willie Mays | -189.01 | 17 | -11.12 |
2383 | * | Sammy Sosa | -190.85 | 16 | -11.93 |
2384 | | Hank Aaron | -301.91 | 22 | -13.72 |
2385 | * | Barry Bonds | -497.01 | 21 | -23.67 |
So, that’s it. You’re shocked, right?
Craig Biggio and David Eckstein are real damned gritty. Jason Kendall is so gritty that he just might stab a couple dozen Californians. And none of them match the original gritster: Ron "the Runt" Hunt.
On the other end of the spectrum, Barry Bonds is so extremely non-gritty that his numbers are a borderline statistical anomaly (insert your favorite joke here). Ryan Howard’s poised to become the new anti-grit. When Manny’s being Manny, he’s not gritty. When Rickey did what Rickey needed to do for the sake of Rickey, he was pretty gritty.
And there are a few thousand players somewhere in the middle who I completely neglected.
Armed with this knowledge, go forth and spread GRIT to all men. Or something.
75 Comments:
awesome. just awesome.
Merry Christmas to me.
Thank you, gentlemen.
grittiest.post.ever.
While attention may focus on the existence of steroids, HGH, Andro etc. on the non-grit list, do note that the gritty, gritty Fernando Vina is a known HGH user.
God bless you. This is one of the greatest things every.
It's so great, I can't even spell right.
The Cubs may not ever win the world series(what, this gag's been used before?) but Ryan Theriot will make his mark in the top 50 grittiest season performances before his career ends, you mark my words!
is could quite possibly be the greatest blog post of 2007 in any category.
Surely Darin Erstad is in the top 50 grittiest players, no? I mean, c'mon, he was a punter at the University of Nebraska, how much grittier can you get?
Marvellous analysis. I have no doubt this topic could be expanded to form the basis of a master's thesis.
But even better than that, GRIT as an acronymn? Perfect.
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This is fantastic but I think HBP is over-valued. I mean that's clearly why Hunt and Biggio are so high up on it and you could argue that getting yourself hit is a lazy, very non-gritty, thing to do. I would suggest incorporating time on the DL into the metric somehow, seeing as gritty plays tend to run into walls all the time and Eck's especially injury prone.
Erstad was too gritty for this list. His grittiness led to injury, and the lost plate appearances no doubt cost him a ranking in the top 50.
Very enjoyable read. I felt my brain working throughout the piece.
That being said,
@xtrarant: Don't be silly, Darin Erstad is a hard-nosed former football player, not gritty. Joe Buck would have your head on a high-horse platter for the confusion.
This is a truly wonderful waste of time. Bravo.
That was fucking incredible. Cheers to you.
Thank you. Thank you. A thousand times, thank you.
You seemed to have forgotten the more important ingredient for a gritty player: that he be white. Please reformulate the rankings to include pigment tone.
Very rarely do internet posts make me laugh out loud. Congratulations, Flotsamites.
Amusingly, Eckstein isnt' even the grittiest player active, and can't make the top 10 overall.
This is the man who defines grittiness to sportscasters.
Cute concept, but do you really think that Don Baylor belongs with the GRITs and Darin Erstad doesn't?
Don Baylor would kick your ass if he found out you think he's "GRITTY". So, fun is fun, but its obvious you need to tweak your formula to get Baylor out of there and Erstad in.
Fanfreakingtastic. My most sincere thanks for this little piece of genius.
Awesome. Totally awesome.
Good article, but Darin Erstad's omission is puzzling to me.
Well done nevertheless!
Eckstein's definitely got a shot at all-time GRITness. Biggio's playing days are over. You've got to think Kendall and Vizquel's days are numbered. If Eck can play 5 more seasons at this pace he's got a shot.
There should be an annual award for GRITtiness, to be called the True Grit Award:
http://www.medaloffreedom.com/JohnWayneTrueGrit.jpg
The award would be in the shape of a rooster.
This should be the front piece in "Best American Sportswriting of 2007."
I reall feel for Rex "the Wonder Dog" Hudler. You know he's been waiting for this kind of recognition for years, but he didn't quite make the list.
Thanks.
Imagine how gritty Vina would have been without PEDs?
I always wondered what the sportswriter was thinking in 1967 when he voted for Cesar Tovar over Carl Yastrzemski (the most recent triple crown winner) for MVP. Now I know. He had the grit meter going. A man ahead of his time.
Best. Post. Ever.
I don't like that Biggio is on the Grittiness list since it's, basically, supposed to be making fun of highly regarded players whose only gift is doing things thought to be very unproductive to offense in most cases or otherwise probably don't require any skill.
I just don't see how Biggio fits on the list. He has a career OPS+ of 111 over 20 seasons, just recently had an over-100 OPS+ at age 39, and was great at extra bases, especially doubles, which is where most of his SLG came from.
Heck, as often as he got hit, it can't be just "pure luck" can it? It wouldn't surprise me if he had some sort of 'skill' or 'technique' for getting hit. Sure, the umps shouldn't go for it, but they shouldn't call pitches 6 inches off the plate strikes either, but if that results in a caught-looking K, we don't slight the pitcher for that ump-granted K do we?
I know it's just supposed to be for fun, but still...putting Biggio in the same realm of a guy who's OPS+ is 89...just seems wrong, even in jest.
I never realized just how gritty Jason Kendall is. The shitty, I knew.
This is pure genius.
Chuck Dickens is a golden god.
And I don't want to hear any of this "tweak the formula to get Baylor out and Erstad in" shit. GRIT is perfect. It is unquestionable. It is the truth.
Chuck Dickens has developed a way to measure intangibles, thus rendering them tangible.
I am afraid.
i'd wager a guess and say that HBP is not a result of luck or randomness. just by taking a cursory look at the HBP leaders over the past few years, a lot of the same names keep popping up--biggio, a-rod, jeter, utley, rowand--and while this isn't exactly scientific, i bet you'd find a pretty high year-to-year correlation for this stat (of course, you'd have to turn it into a rate statistic). is it a 'skill'? who knows. it probably has more to do with a batter's willingness to crowd the plate and win the proverbial territorial battle with the pitcher. you know, 'grittiness'.
Chuck Dickens once responded to a post of mine on another forum. It may have been Variety or CHUD. But it was legendary. Like Chuck D.
I knew him once. He was ducking chickens.
And I don't want to hear any of this "tweak the formula to get Baylor out and Erstad in" shit. GRIT is perfect. It is unquestionable. It is the truth.
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Get your head out of your ass.
Don Baylor:
THREE Silver Sluggers as DH
ONE MVP
THREE top-ten finishes in OPS+
THREE top-6 finishes in RBI
118 Career OPS
Just because he had the BALLS to take pitches on his massive shoulder doesn't make him a pussy "GRITTY" player.
This statistic is HORSE SHIT so long as Baylor appears on it.
Get your head out of your ass.
"This statistic is HORSE SHIT so long as Baylor appears on it."
Awesome. What's it like to be the stupidest primate alive?
Why don't you move out of mom's basement, lose 30 lbs. and find a nice girl to settle down with?
man, imagine what the babe's careerGRIT would be?
very nicely done.
out of the top 15 least gritty players, 13 aren't caucasian - that's why you don't need a skin pigmentation field, because the GRIT formula pretty much distinguishes skin color for you
Anonymous made a fair point. Shouldn't we recalibrate for skin pigment, height and weight? Wouldn't that put Elf-stein over the top? It just doesn't make sense, what sort of grit list doesn't Rumple-eckstein at the top? Now I understand old-school journalism's complaint with VORP.
"This statistic is HORSE SHIT so long as Baylor appears on it."
Awesome. What's it like to be the stupidest primate alive?
Why don't you move out of mom's basement, lose 30 lbs. and find a nice girl to settle down with?
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That's cute, butt-wipe. I give you multiple reasons why any "GRIT" statistic that includes Don Baylor is fatally flawed, so you go with the traditional "get out of your Mom's basement, find a woman, lose some weight" put-down.
I own a house in one of the most expensive cities in Florida (Boca Raton);
I make more money as a Voice Over artist in a month than you do in a year;
I'm happily married for six+ years.
I will cop to the weight thing though.
Now why don't you cop to being an ass-licking shithead.
/stands and applauds
I don't know, CT. I mean, when an overweight voice-over artist from Florida says that a humorous stat offered forth humorously on a humor blog is "HORSE SHIT," I think that carries a certain amount weight.
As for Chuck D... Brava.
When the time comes for you to receive your First Annual Montgomery Burns Award for Outstanding Achievement in the Field of Laptop Science Excellence, I'll gladly take my place as the barely numerate spork in your ass that managed to get you back on track toward your destined SABR greatness.
That ought to be worth at least a discounted meal or two at the Voros McCracken House of Goulash and DIPS.
Brilliant. Just Brilliant.
Now if there was just some way to calculate the 'CRAFTINESS' of pitchers (almost 100% lefties). Hmmm................
Corn Ho, indeed without you, I never would've finished this up. I gave you credit in the article for your contributions, but it appears that they were clipped to cut down the length. Same goes for Slak's quip about Hairston. I owe you definitely a few bowls of goulash for your help.
> Now if there was just some way to calculate the 'CRAFTINESS' of pitchers (almost 100% lefties). Hmmm................
The research has already begun:
http://tinyurl.com/2ow9qx
Very, very nice.
If this guy's really a highly paid voice over artist, shouldn't you post something like, "In a world where Don Baylor is considered gritty..."
Reynolds percentage couldn't be that low because he stole more bases than times he was caught. His steal percentage would be 55 percent.
brew101498, it's not quite that simple.
SBINEFF = CS*(CS+1)/(SB+CS+1)
This post rocked my world in way even VORP only pailed against. I absolutely had to attach my name to this page, if only to post a comment commending the author for shaping the mole-hill of overused commentary into the mountain of statistical mockery.
I commend you, sir, for so educationally proving absolutely nothing so convincingly. I'm attempting to reach Kevin Smith so he can use this as a concept for his next feature film, which should include Matt Damon playing the part of Chuck Dickens as he measures immeasurables.
Fan-fucking-tastic post.
I couldn't believe the number of teams interested in signing the unbelievably shitt—er, gritty Eck this off-season.
Toronto "wins", which means the clubhouse attendant better head down to the Venezuelan Winter League to practice his stain-treating...
If you look Top 50 Gritty Seasons' list, you'd be hard pressed to conjure up any details of that players particulars in that year.
But for the Least Gritty seasons' list, the players stats are almost recite-able.
Why? Because players without grit do it for the fame and fortune, and for front-page articles. Gritty players do what they do for one reason - the W.
PS: As for Ron "The Runt" Hunt's nickname, I'm thinking of something else? Anybody thinking the same?
I will cop to the shithead part, but I have never licked an ass.
I guess I stand corrected on your marital/living status. I just assumed that somebody who get so angry about a stat that is pretty clearly satirical (and appears on a humor site) would have to be some sort of lifeless loser who embodies the classic stereotype of the basement-dwelling, mom-living, internet messageboard know-it-all dipshit. Again, I stand corrected.
However, voice-over is not an art.
That thing was too long for me to read, but, judgin' from the comments, I guess it was pretty danged good. I do think those two dustbuckets that are gettin' all huffy need to settle their dispute like growned-up men. I'm talkin' about meetin' each other in a cheap hotel room and havin' a good old-fashioned peckerfight. I'd pay decent money to watch a tubby voice-over artist (whatever that is) try to out-boner some other ol' boy that may or may not have a jorb.
dudes.... classico. loves it.
hope you don't mind that I discussed it over on my bloggity - with all due credit, of course. I'm simply jealous I didn't write this myself.
http://yankees-chick.blogspot.com/2007/12/yankees-chick-is-gritty-gal-herself.html
Fire Joe Morgan sent me over here and it was certainly worth it. I can't wait to see GRIT at the top of a statistics spread someday next to VORP.
I definitely see a correlation between GRIT and height. Might be an additional factor to consider. And I can't believe you don't metion Nick Punto when you discuss sliding into first base - he's the expert chosen to be featured in the GRIT instructional video.
I demand a re-count! Where is Mark Lemke? Even his face is gritty.
Reminds me of the paper I wrote for my research methods course.
Awesome. Just awesome. I hope you don't mind if I link to this everywhere I see fit.
The only problem I see with this list is the absence of Ozzie Guillen.
We all know that he's one of the grittiest players of all time, yet he doesn't appear on this stat.
Apparently his qualities were too intangible to be quantified.
This is the greatest post of 2007, hands down.
I truly think fielding stats will need to be considered if you plan on tweaking GRIT in the future. Perhaps that will knock down Baylor a bit as he did a lot of DH-ing.
Personal attacks aside, the inclusion of HBP is indeed problematic, as shown by the rankings of Biggio and Baylor, both of whom are/were talented, and one of whom (guess who) was doing a lot of blow off field, and was known for lollygagging on the field. Since crowding the plate for good players enables them to reach the outside pitch, why not weight the HBP by the inverse of the number of opposite field hits? This would elevate "gritty" players who couldn't take a ball the other way if there was a typhoon blowing that direction.
For everyone who's getting loaded up on some warm Dr. Pepper in regards to the over-valuation of HBP: chill out. I've been hard at work on a solution, but I've some Holiday commitments have delayed it. New numbers and stuff will be forthcoming in the near future.
Phenomenal. I always thought "grit" was a synonym for "sucky baseball player who's loved by the media because he's a nice guy and his uniform's dirty" (see Eckstein, David; Nixon, Trot; Erstad, Darin) but this proves that there's so much more in life that remains a mystery.
Outstanding.
I guess this means that when Harold Reynolds comments on a player's grittiness, we should listen, because Harold knows whereof he speaks.
This article is witty and funny and I'd agree that most of the guys listed by this formula are donkey players... but get Biggio off this fucking list. He doesn't belong. Career spanning multiple decades, several above average OPS+ years, and he was also a steady defensive player.
Your formula puts too much weight on the HBP stat. Re-weight it and Biggio will go away and more crap will appear.
Oh Jesus. Thank you so much.
1. how is aaron rowand not on the list?
2. i always thought GRIT should be some formula like: amount of dirt/blood on uniform X brightness of player's skin = GRIT. i think skin color should be factored in somehow.
great article.
To reuse a word that several have, accurately, used: brilliant. The style is well-balanced. The litmus test: enjoyable to read.
You've come a long way.
Simply awesome. Strong work. Still, she Don Baylor thing is a little hard to explain. Perhaps a modifier (XDB = except for Don Baylor) can be added to the equation.
However, voice-over is not an art.
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Then why am I a member of the Screen Actors Guild and AFTRA?
Voice-Over performers are artists, just as any other creative performer.
When you learn to deliver a 30 second spot so that your voice decays out at 29.5 on the button, let me know what you'd prefer to be called.
Chuck D., I think I love you.
Next, could I have a statistical analysis of "gutty" and "gutsy," what the difference between the two is, and which should be applied to which players?
You rule.
Laura
This is freaking brilliant. -j
Wonderful blog! Not to ruin the tone by being too serious, i just couldn't help but think the reason that so few African-Americans are in the top of the Grit Lists is that they are held to a higher standard of talent than whites or latinos. For example, poor Horace Clarke, who was perhaps the BEST player on those horrible mid-sixties Yankee teams, was jettisoned after only eight years. If he were white, he might have been kept around for another eight years to pad his pension and his grittyness totals. Perhaps someday, when the world is a better place, all races and creeds will be represented on lists of no-talents, not just on lists of superachievers.
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